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Originally posted by Hopsbarly:
This is the lowest loss ratio of personnel for any war in recent history.

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If that works for you, you obviously don't count civilian casualties and a destroyed country. Ask an Iraqi family how they feel, mothers and children, you big bad dude, you.

You fit the ultra-right profile to a T. Heavy consumption, disregard for the rights of others and absolute conviction you are right and the facts are wrong. This president took us into a war nobody wants for reasons personal to him, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz, using our tax dollars and cutting medicare and other vital programs to pay for it. He has lied and has authorized torture. It was a shameful day for America when he took the office.

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Originally posted by Hopsbarly:
Pretty easy to sit back in a chair and complain about how many deaths there have been. If you havent been there, then don't complain.

I was there. I went willingly... and as the Army is still all volunteer and meeting its enlistment goals each year.... everyone in there is also a volunteer.

This is the lowest loss ratio of personnel for any war in recent history. Where were all these whiners when 8000 died in one day on the shores of Normandy? 2500 in 3 years is amazingly good. During my first tour, I was told my life expectancy in war was in minutes or hours... and I signed up.

Talk to someone that has been there and find out if it has been working... you see the gore on TV because it sells. There is less and less of it because there is less and less over there. Cut and run works great.... it will become an Iranian state.

Sign up, hop a plane for a visit, or stop complaining.

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Originally posted by jonhiggins:
If that works for you, you obviously don't count civilian casualties and a destroyed country. Ask an Iraqi family how they feel, mothers and children, you big bad dude, you.

You fit the ultra-right profile to a T. Heavy consumption, disregard for the rights of others and absolute conviction you are right and the facts are wrong. This president took us into a war nobody wants for reasons personal to him, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz, using our tax dollars and cutting medicare and other vital programs to pay for it. He has lied and has authorized torture. It was a shameful day for America when he took the office.

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A couple of right wingers get into the fray and try to flip objections to this war of choice and the tragedy caused by it, turning them into "not supporting" the troops. Talk about reversing the meaning of something. With this kind of un-communication it's no wonder people are so divided about the ruin wracked by a selfish administration's grab for power.

Here it is. Nobody is against the troops. We all support the poor guys and gals that get sucked into that deal. They were shafted too, with agreements broken by this administration right and left. May they all come home healthy in mind and body, a futile hope for too many.

This war and this presidency has dragged our country into the mud. Want to recall the Nazi treatment? See the revelations finally coming out about how many medical personnel were complicit in torture and lies with the bad military types in charge of prisioners, authorized from the top by Rumsfeld. Check your facts, Hopsbarly. It's understandable if you don't. It would break your heart to learn what you were really supporting instead of the high ideals we all had hoped for and were getting sold. My sympathy is with you in your ordeal. You are victim just as the innocent Iraqui civilians are.