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katec53
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posted January 15, 2006 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katec53     Edit/Delete Message
I too have many questions about the PROPOSED high school that is to be built on the70+ acre of land between RR12 and Caliche Road from County Road 176 to the new By-pass road. The school board has not proven to me that they can and will be fiscally responsible with my $42M tax investment. Children learn in a good environment, not necessarily a multi-million dollar comples. Remember Honest Abe? He became president of these United States despite the fact that he was subjected to writing on shovels and the like ina one-room school building.

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Zarp
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posted January 17, 2006 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zarp     Edit/Delete Message
Why do we need 70 acres for a school when we are building houses here as close as six feet apart (roof to roof)?

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nancy
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posted January 18, 2006 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nancy     Edit/Delete Message
Am I the only one irritated by the fact that a similar proposal was resoundingly voted down just 2 or so years ago? The voters already spoke it seems to me.

I strongly dislike how they cleared the proposed site, it looks awful and was done poorly from an environmental standpoint, the light pollution in the are will be affected forever, and the bypass won't be an effective bypass at all anymore, as we'll now be slowed by that school zone/buses/traffic. I thought the point of a bypass was to PASS BY the schools and get where you're going without difficulty.

There are so many things wrong with this proposal I can't even get them all on paper. Lack of trust being top of the list.

I feel like we're being manipulated quite frankly.

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contributor
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posted January 19, 2006 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for contributor     Edit/Delete Message
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Originally posted by nancy:
Am I the only one irritated by the fact that a similar proposal was resoundingly voted down just 2 or so years ago? The voters already spoke it seems to me.


Agreed. That the school board has the gall to to come back two years later and present a bond proposal that is reduced by only 11% from the previous bond proposal is shocking. Especially after the previous bond was voted down vehemently in the last election. I think the time may have come to sweep the school board clean in the next couple of elections.

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YellowDogDem
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posted January 25, 2006 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowDogDem     Edit/Delete Message
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Originally posted by BillWilliams:
Has anyone else begun to wonder about the high school situation ? A building that's only 7 years old, sitting on property that looks like could allow expansion --- yet is going to be replaced by a newer one located on the RR12 bypass ? And a lawsuit going to trial over faulty workmanship at the existing 2325 facility ? I certainly am in no position to be second-guessing people, but on the surface there appears to be something wrong here ......

Let’s use that money we “might” get from the lawsuit against the builder of the high school to fix the high school. We don’t need another one just because someone gave 70 acres of land to enhance the value of his adjoining land on the new “loop”. (Who thought of that idea anyway? Do we need a loop?)

In addition to the concerns previously posted, my greatest concern is the tax increase. I believe it was KVUE who stated that our taxes would increase .10 for every $100. That in itself doesn’t sound so bad but when you consider the prices of our homes and their values we could easily be looking at several hundred dollars a month to fund this bond. Not everyone in Wimberley is rich or two income households.

This is a really big bond for a small village like Wimberley. With these type of increases Wimberley could easily become a town without a middle class. Let’s face it, those on the other end of the spectrum can easily afford the tax increase and can afford to send their children to private schools. Unfortunately, I can’t afford this type of spending and did not know about all this when I purchased my home this year.

We have a duty to educate our kiddos but children can learn anywhere if they have a teacher who inspires them. I am not talking a teacher that just teaches for the TAS test but one who makes every subject interesting to them. If we are going to have a tax increase I want my money to go for teacher raises not building bricks.

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Blax
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posted January 27, 2006 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blax     Edit/Delete Message
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Originally posted by YellowDogDem:
We don’t need another one just because someone gave 70 acres of land to enhance the value of his adjoining land on the new “loop”. (

Actually, the donated land is 17-18 acres for the elementary school to be located off 2325.

The 70 acres is to be purchased from $840,000 from the bond for the high school on the new loop (between 12 and 3237).

But, I hear ya!

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BillWilliams
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posted January 27, 2006 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillWilliams     Edit/Delete Message
What seems to be happening in most schools and school districts is that the people charged with running things are cocooned in a wrapping of self-righteousness, and seem quite unwilling and/or unprepared to run their schools like a commercial business --- with an eye on efficiency and common sense.
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Originally posted by katec53:
I too have many questions about the PROPOSED high school that is to be built on the70+ acre of land between RR12 and Caliche Road from County Road 176 to the new By-pass road. The school board has not proven to me that they can and will be fiscally responsible with my $42M tax investment. Children learn in a good environment, not necessarily a multi-million dollar comples. Remember Honest Abe? He became president of these United States despite the fact that he was subjected to writing on shovels and the like ina one-room school building.

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Blax
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posted January 27, 2006 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blax     Edit/Delete Message
I have some new questions.
From the RidgeRunner:
In addition music, art and Spanish have been taught at the elementary schools. However music and Spanish were reduced to of what they were because of space and budget constraints.
At the Secondary schools the electives are at a minimum. At the Jr. High the electives are limited to art, band, and home economics. At the High school the electives are art, band, theatre arts, and ag science. The high school Advanced Placement offerings continue to increase and the number of students taking those courses increases each year as well.

So, IF the bond is passed, is the district going to expand music and art in the elementary schools, electives in the secondary, Jr. High & High Schools?

What type of security to these programs will be offered IF the bond is passed?

Or, will these programs be reduced again in order to make up the M & O?

With 5 schools, are more administrators going to be hired? Does the district have the budget for this expense without compromising other programs, teacher raises, etc.?

According to the Wimberley View (1/21/2006) and the powerpoint presentation on the WISD website, Strauss states that the last portable building purchased cost $125,000 from the M & O. (B/C they are harder to come by since the hurricanes.)
WELL, this seems exessive even despite the hurricanes! When was this purchased? Recently? Why, with an upcoming bond, spend that kind of money?
IF what has been said/written is correct; that the average property value in Wimberley (and is the jsut within the city limits?) is $150,000, then a family of 4 should be living in this portable full time!
How big is this portable? 2000sq feet?
Isn't a portable usually just two rooms with one or two bathrooms (not even a kitchen)?
I remember seeing that the average life for a portable is about 10 years (although sometimes used longer - OH that's safe!). SO, IF the bond is passed, and there is plenty of room for growth within the new schools, we will no longer need any portables.
THEN, what is the districts plans for the current portables? Hold on to them IN CASE we need them in 10 years and by then they will be too old to use?
OR, are they going to be sold to another district?
How will that money be allocated? Does it go back into the M&O to re-instate programs that were cut to buy these buildings in the first place or for teacher raises? OR, will it go into fostering more (un-needed) sports programs?
At $125,000 a pop and 22 portables in the district, and IF they were sold at say a discount (used) price of 1/2, that is still $1,650,000.00 for the district!
WOW! That alone would pay for the Renovations at Scudder and the current HS.
WHAT A CONCEPT!


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Stonewall
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posted January 29, 2006 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message
The newest portable was actually a 'quad' which houses 4 classrooms. I challenge you house 4 families of 4 in this space.
The portables have been eating into the M&O because there needs to be somewhere to house students. Bowen is at 200% of capacity. The plan is to resell the portables if the bond passes which would mean more money for M&O. The decreased expenses from not having to buy portables could be put to use then in the classroom (permanent not portable).

Sometimes it is fairly easy to see when a question is not really a question but is rather a way of making a statement.

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starstruck
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posted January 29, 2006 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starstruck     Edit/Delete Message
Uh, not the best choice of names to use Stonewall. Politicians stonewall, maybe you'll want to change that handle?

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Stonewall
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posted January 30, 2006 07:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Starstruck, not all Stonewalls are bad. There was a decent one around the Alamo, there is a fairly large one in China, one was even a Confederate general...

So, not all Stonewalls or politicians or even bond issues are bad.

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starstruck
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posted January 30, 2006 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starstruck     Edit/Delete Message
I see your point there, although I should mention the stonewall at the alamo was overrun, the one in China never kept the Monguls out and that general was shot by his own troops. Now about that bond issue......I'm not so sure.

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Stonewall
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posted January 30, 2006 05:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I still see the good in those Stonewalls though.

Besides keeping thousands of Santa Ana’s compadres out of the Alamo for a bit longer, the few stone walls left standing after all this time help to provide San Antonio’s tourism epicenter and its national identity.

The case of the Monguls shows the failure of isolationism, not the failure of the stone wall. In order to defeat an enemy intent on your destruction, you have to strike the terrorists where they live and not depend on an engineering marvel to keep them out (but that is an entirely different topic). It is an amazing structure in that it has endured for hundreds of years still basically intact.

The last one was an example of a person that beat the odds against him, albeit only temporarily. He was actually admired and respected by his troops and opponents. A little bit crazy Stonewall but not a bad one.

I see the good in the bond too. I see the problems that currently exist in our schools. I know the dedication, decency, and desire to help our kids that the teachers and administration of WISD have. The bond package is good for our community, our property values, and our children.

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starstruck
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posted January 30, 2006 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starstruck     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Originally posted by Stonewall:
I still see the good in those Stonewalls though.

Besides keeping thousands of Santa Ana’s compadres out of the Alamo for a bit longer, the few stone walls left standing after all this time help to provide San Antonio’s tourism epicenter and its national identity.

The case of the Monguls shows the failure of isolationism, not the failure of the stone wall. In order to defeat an enemy intent on your destruction, you have to strike the terrorists where they live and not depend on an engineering marvel to keep them out (but that is an entirely different topic). It is an amazing structure in that it has endured for hundreds of years still basically intact.

The last one was an example of a person that beat the odds against him, albeit only temporarily. He was actually admired and respected by his troops and opponents. A little bit crazy Stonewall but not a bad one.

I see the good in the bond too. I see the problems that currently exist in our schools. I know the dedication, decency, and desire to help our kids that the teachers and administration of WISD have. The bond package is good for our community, our property values, and our children.


You know Stonewall, I think you may have given this a little thought. Let me add that the Great Wall is a massive tourist attraction, even grander than the Alamo. But you still have to change that name, all those stonewalls were ultimate failures or losers ,if you will, in achieving what they set out to do. Now about that bond issue......I'm still not so sure. Taxes they come but they never go away and higher resale prices mean higher tax appraisals for years and years if you're thinking about living in your house for a long time. Count me firmly on the fence but you seem to be the only pro bond voice in the room.
Now about striking those terrorists where they live, maybe you've been listening to those guys in the White House a little too long???? But that's another thread.

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Blax
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posted January 30, 2006 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blax     Edit/Delete Message
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Originally posted by Stonewall:
The newest portable was actually a 'quad' which houses 4 classrooms. I challenge you house 4 families of 4 in this space.

Sometimes it is fairly easy to see when a question is not really a question but is rather a way of making a statement.


I understand the need for the portables. But, yes these WERE questions posed to WISD (via their "email questions and comments to..." from the newsletter they mailed) that I have yet to see a response. This is the type of issues that the community has with WISD and they do not make the situation better when they do not respond at all!
... Unless you are on the WISD board, and this is the official response. If so, please inform us of your name so that we will know who this response is coming from.

Either way, the question is legitimate. The community has a right to know how the portables are going to be used; what is to be done with them, how the monies are going to be used, etc. when they are propsing such a high priced bond. If they cannot answer such BASIC questions (including some of the others in the previous post) or without getting upset, they should not be on the board and should not be asking HARD questions (to approve an expensive bond) of the community.
Whether one feels the bond is good or bad for the community, WISD should answer ALL questions so that everyone can make an INFORMED choice of their own. Again, they are not offering up answers until the questions are posed and even then, they pick and choose. This adds to the already uncertain attitude the community has about the WISD and it's spending habits.
A lie of omission, is still a lie! And that is how alot of people feel about them. They are not making strides in changing that feeling.


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